I’ve had it pointed out to me overnight, that November 12th in all likeliness won’t be any kind of announcement. I was somewhat skeptical about the chances of anything happening that day, but Toolarmy member Corinthian pointed out to me a couple of interesting points contained in a few Tool Newsletters.
It turns out that November 12th is the day of the “San Antonio Curse” . From the March 2007 Newsletter:
We’re still getting lots of messages from Tool enthusiasts who are concerned about the rescheduled tour dates. Many are wondering if the “10,000 Days” tour might in fact be cursed, especially those fans living in San Antonio who are writing to me about what they actually refer to as “the San Antonio curse.”
And
The San Antonio curse began on November 12, 2002 at Freeman Coliseum when a faulty drape fell off the wall in the band’s dressing room and caught on fire from some candles burning there. Noticing this, Maynard nonchalantly uttered “fire… fire… FIRE to anyone who would listen as he calmly walked down a hallway back stage. As an interesting side note, since, as I alluded to earlier, the potential solution to removing the curse involves aspects of time travel, I’m pretty sure that the date that Marty McFly returned to in the film “Back to the Future” and its sequel was November 12 (1955).
The flames were quickly extinguished with the only inconvenience being that a certain band member was deprived of a particular piece of fruit. However, the venue officials required the band to pay several thousand dollars in damage. This was the moment that the curse actually began! Those of you who have read my newsletter about the Coachella debacle – that involving a magically ‘unlawful’ pantacle (not pentacle) placed in the back of Danny’s beater pickup truck might find the following to be quite telling: According to the general manager of the Freeman Coliseum, the fire in the band’s dressing room caused only minor damage, “less than the amount of a used Chevy truck.” With his choice of words, there can be no question that this is evidence of a supernatural presence at work – a strange manifestation that exists outside of time, or is able to manipulate time in ways that modern science doesn’t understand. This presence that foresaw and/or was involved with the future imprecation placed on the truck with its K.C. plates is most certainly demonic in nature, and probably of the “Xaphan” pedigree. It would also appear that the swarming flies of misfortune have followed the band ever since that event of November 12th.
From that May 2008 Newsletter:
we might just be able to remove a curse that occurred in San Antonio’s Freeman Coliseum on November 12, 2002 after a fire in the band’s dressing room prompted venue officials to require the guys to pay several thousand dollars in damages.
In my opinion, what better way to help remove the curse than some positive news regarding Tool’s plan for the future!
Maynared fucked up this last tour….they should ditch him and move on.
Maynard Keenan is an anagram of ‘A Mannered Yank’
[quote comment=""]Maynared fucked up this last tour….they should ditch him and move on. Maynard Keenan is an anagram of ‘A Mannered Yank’[/quote]
I would love to see the others move on, and create some new original sounding material, but that probably won’t happen….
With “PussyFur” Uncle Pappy May May’s vocals are akin to the sound your dad might make while humming to himself while vacuuming. Its complete bullshit – there is nothing special about it – and the fact that people clamor over it is fucking nonsense.
DONT GIVE HIM ANY MORE MONEY FOR HIS HALF ASSED “PRODUCTS”
Danny Carey is unfailingly brilliant and deserves to work with a fucking MOTIVATED singer that gives a fuck – not a selfish little bitch/fish that would rather squash grapes like a french duke.
[quote comment="35398"]Maynared fucked up this last tour….they should ditch him and move on. Maynard Keenan is an anagram of ‘A Mannered Yank’[/quote]
Tool is not Tool without Maynard. Without Maynard, it’s something else. Nuff said.
I like how this guy quotes himself, as if he’s two different posters, and then goes on to agree with what his own first post said. The first line is speaking directly in response to his own first post…
I guess he meant to switch accounts between the first and second post. That or he completely forgot that the first post was his own, and was delighted that someone else was speaking his mind, and had to agree with them. In any case… we’re already on track discussing something completely unrelated to the article.
[quote comment=""]I like how this guy quotes himself, as if he’s two different posters, and then goes on to agree with what his own first post said. The first line is speaking directly in response to his own first post… I guess he meant to switch accounts between the first and second post. That or he completely forgot that the first post was his own, and was delighted that someone else was speaking his mind, and had to agree with them. In any case… we’re already on track discussing something completely unrelated to the article.[/quote]
1. I posted and then wanted to add more, so your conspiracy theory about a conversation with myself is busted – you knob.
2. I am discussing something pertaining to the newsletter, which is shelling out money for puscifer concerts….all the dates are in the newsletter – so why cant I post here – you douche nozzle.
3. As fripp has said of King Crimson…”Its just a way of doing things”….they have had so many members over the years and line up changes – but they are still Crimson….regardless of the personel..”King Crimson is a way of doing things”
That said, I agree that they all bring their own part to the band – but I think that if the 3 members that still care made music it would be like it was with uncle pappy may may – experimental- society chaffing – raw expression – artistic both sonically and visually….thats the way “they do things”. So fuck the name TOOL or whatever you want to call it…fact of the matter is they do what they do – and if he left, or they kicked him out they would continue to be “TOOL” no matter what their band name is, cause they will continue to do what they do best – be themselves. – if you dont understand this, here’s a juice-box and a fruit roll up..I’ll get you some raffi tapes and a barney video and check back on you in 45 minutes – o.k. little guy?
Conspiracy theory? Just commenting on your odd double posting. Quoting yourself, replying in agreement to your own post. New to me. It worked though, cultiv8420 responded in opposition. Anyway nothing in my post defended or bashed Maynard. The argument is still between you, you, and cultiv8420.
I saw them in NC this tour, and couldn’t hear Maynard. Bad sound I guess? I heard him only once the entire night, during Flood when the band pauses and he says “I was wrong, this changes everything.”
I was very disappointed that he wasn’t a part of that show at all. I think in this case it was a sound problem in our seating section. I can’t judge from this show whether Maynard is still interested in Tool or not. I liked 10,000 Days, though I think it was a step down from Lateralus. Puscifer is a separate project with different goals, and I treat it as such. It’s not awful, but it’s completely different from Tool’s work, and I trust them to keep the two separate.
I trust Maynard to take a more serious approach to Tool, as he has done in the past. I expect the next Tool record will be on path with what they’ve done as a band in the past, and I’m not worried that they will go in the direction maynard has taken with Puscifer.
I’ll wait until the next record to pass judgment. I don’t think I’ll be disappointed, though I expect others to be. So much complaining after Lateralus and 10,000 Days. There’s a group of fans that bash their latest work and accuse them of selling out after every record, as long as I’ve followed them. I think the next album will be great. Everything they’ve done since Ænema has been amazing. I don’t see them taking a bad turn just because V is for Vagina was not up to Tool’s standards. It doesn’t have to be, it’s meant to be different.
Thanks for the Juice-box and fruit roll up.
[quote comment=""]Conspiracy theory? Just commenting on your odd double posting. Quoting yourself, replying in agreement to your own post. New to me. It worked though, cultiv8420 responded in opposition. Anyway nothing in my post defended or bashed Maynard. The argument is still between you, you, and cultiv8420. I saw them in NC this tour, and couldn’t hear Maynard. Bad sound I guess? I heard him only once the entire night, during Flood when the band pauses and he says “I was wrong, this changes everything.” I was very disappointed that he wasn’t a part of that show at all. I think in this case it was a sound problem in our seating section. I can’t judge from this show whether Maynard is still interested in Tool or not. I liked 10,000 Days, though I think it was a step down from Lateralus. Puscifer is a separate project with different goals, and I treat it as such. It’s not awful, but it’s completely different from Tool’s work, and I trust them to keep the two separate. I trust Maynard to take a more serious approach to Tool, as he has done in the past. I expect the next Tool record will be on path with what they’ve done as a band in the past, and I’m not worried that they will go in the direction maynard has taken with Puscifer. I’ll wait until the next record to pass judgment. I don’t think I’ll be disappointed, though I expect others to be. So much complaining after Lateralus and 10,000 Days. There’s a group of fans that bash their latest work and accuse them of selling out after every record, as long as I’ve followed them. I think the next album will be great. Everything they’ve done since Ænema has been amazing. I don’t see them taking a bad turn just because V is for Vagina was not up to Tool’s standards. It doesn’t have to be, it’s meant to be different. Thanks for the Juice-box and fruit roll up.[/quote]
I was just messin’ with ya mang. I’ve got some gogurt too, if you like.
I also think that the band should ditch Maynard and do their own thing. I didn’t see them on their most recent tour, but I youtubed some footage from the tour (whatever) and Maynard’s singing didn’t do justice to what the band was doing. I’m not the guy that hates on Maynard, but I just think he’s getting too old and grumpy to be touring with Tool. I wouldn’t doubt Maynard agreeing with that statement, either.
Whatever the band does never fails to impress me. They could tour without Maynard and turn their songs into instrumentals however they wanted and I’d still pay to see them without question. Then they could also play any songs they wanted without having to make sure Maynard is comfortable with singing them.
lol reminds me of Jimmy Page being blamed for Zeppelin’s “spiritual” misfortunes.
Why ditch Maynard – his lyrics on 10,000 days were excellent, and if you doubt his vocal prowess, listen to the last line of Jambi at high volume. Give the man some credit, and a break. He’s 40+ years old and I can attest: ye olde pipes are not the same, past 30 much less 40. Puscifer and APC are side projects – merely for him to pass the time.
[quote comment="35407"]Why ditch Maynard – his lyrics on 10,000 days were excellent, and if you doubt his vocal prowess, listen to the last line of Jambi at high volume. Give the man some credit, and a break. He’s 40+ years old and I can attest: ye olde pipes are not the same, past 30 much less 40. Puscifer and APC are side projects – merely for him to pass the time.[/quote]
Its less about his current vocal abilities – and more about his shitty, smug attitude and his lack of dedication/priorty shift away from the band that laid the foundation for his vino endevours….
[quote comment=""][quote comment="35407"]Why ditch Maynard – his lyrics on 10,000 days were excellent, and if you doubt his vocal prowess, listen to the last line of Jambi at high volume. Give the man some credit, and a break. He’s 40+ years old and I can attest: ye olde pipes are not the same, past 30 much less 40. Puscifer and APC are side projects – merely for him to pass the time.[/quote]
Its less about his current vocal abilities – and more about his shitty, smug attitude and his lack of dedication/priorty shift away from the band that laid the foundation for his vino endevours….[/quote]