As Tool leave the stage in Denver, I’d just like to point out a few things:
- Reviews of the show are welcome (no I don’t have any yet!).
- Setlists and other spoilers will not be posted in the main Fourtheye feed. Â I may and will link to them though, so consider yourselves warned.
- I’d encourage commenters to also consider the thoughts of others before posting Setlists on the main news feed. Â I may or may not censor/move these depending on what they contain.
Sounds like it was a good, albiet relatively short set (not unusual for a festival), filled with the usual collection of Tool tracks. Â As I hear it the alleged cover song wasn’t played. Â I expect any real surprises will surface at their gig in Salt Lake City tomorrow.
No spoilers: To all you folks holding off on reading the set. You all are in for SUCH A HUGE TREAT! OMFG! I envy anyone seeing them this summer so much.I just read the set on toolopinion. I wish I wouldnt have been so cynical about the setlist, biggest mistake of my life… I should have bought fucking tickets. FUCK.
[quote comment=””]No spoilers: To all you folks holding off on reading the set. You all are in for SUCH A HUGE TREAT! OMFG! I envy anyone seeing them this summer so much.I just read the set on toolopinion. I wish I wouldnt have been so cynical about the setlist, biggest mistake of my life… I should have bought fucking tickets. FUCK.[/quote]
….:) *flips a shit*
[quote comment=””][quote comment=””]No spoilers: To all you folks holding off on reading the set. You all are in for SUCH A HUGE TREAT! OMFG! I envy anyone seeing them this summer so much.I just read the set on toolopinion. I wish I wouldnt have been so cynical about the setlist, biggest mistake of my life… I should have bought fucking tickets. FUCK.[/quote]
Is this sarcasm, because from what I have read it is the same setlist… what are you reading on toolopinion… I don’t see what you are talking about…
[quote comment=””][quote comment=””][quote comment=””]No spoilers: To all you folks holding off on reading the set. You all are in for SUCH A HUGE TREAT! OMFG! I envy anyone seeing them this summer so much.I just read the set on toolopinion. I wish I wouldnt have been so cynical about the setlist, biggest mistake of my life… I should have bought fucking tickets. FUCK.[/quote] Is this sarcasm, because from what I have read it is the same setlist… what are you reading on toolopinion… I don’t see what you are talking about…[/quote] Yeah, after reading it… No idea what you’re talking… Read more »
[quote comment=””][quote comment=””][quote comment=””][quote comment=””]No spoilers: To all you folks holding off on reading the set. You all are in for SUCH A HUGE TREAT! OMFG! I envy anyone seeing them this summer so much.I just read the set on toolopinion. I wish I wouldnt have been so cynical about the setlist, biggest mistake of my life… I should have bought fucking tickets. FUCK.[/quote] Is this sarcasm, because from what I have read it is the same setlist… what are you reading on toolopinion… I don’t see what you are talking about…[/quote] Yeah, after reading it… No idea what you’re… Read more »
Sounds like there’s quite a bit of disappointment about the setlist, unfortunately. The visuals add another demension to the shows for sure, but I hope the band isn’t becoming so dependent on the accompanying live graphics to the point that they’re dictating what will and won’t be played anymore. Its a good thing for artists to not make pleasing their fans the prime focus of their work, but its also important to not bore your concert-goers with the same recycled stale setlist over and over and over again. There’s so much great music in their catalogue that they haven’t even… Read more »
I was waiting for the first setlist to see if I would buy tickets to the Epicenter festival. Thats $80 they aren’t seeing from me. Seeing the same songs 4 times last tour was quite enough. Even if they do throw in No Quarter it’s not worth my time and money.
I really don’t think that this show should even be considered for any prediction of future shows. Considering it was a festival, Tool is not only tending to their own fans, but tons of other people who might not even heard their music before. That being said, I wouldn’t expect them to play songs such as Third Eye, or Hooker With a Penis at a show like that. Hopefully when they are back in their own field, we will see what they have to truly offer.
I think people need to bear in mind that despite the gap, this is essentially the 10,000 Days tour continued. To expect the set to be dramatically different is unrealistic in my opinion. Also, as Adam has mentioned recently, Maynard picks the set list, and only picks what he’s comfortable with. It’s generally accepted that Maynard’s voice isn’t as strong as it once was I suspect that many of Tool’s old songs, which require a lot of high pitched work that he can no longer sustain, are probably permanently off the playing list. I don’t think it’s a case of… Read more »
Stop defending them. Tool have become stale..stale as bread. Their hearts just not in it anymore. Its just a cashcow for Maynard’s vino hobby. The next album should be worse than ‘10,000 Days’ in my opinion.
[quote comment=””]I think people need to bear in mind that despite the gap, this is essentially the 10,000 Days tour continued. To expect the set to be dramatically different is unrealistic in my opinion.[/quote]
They had what…a year and a bit to do their own thing right? Its unacceptable that they would have the same setlist from 2 years ago….shows they don’t care about their fans.
[quote comment=””]They had what…a year and a bit to do their own thing right? Its unacceptable that they would have the same setlist from 2 years ago….shows they don’t care about their fans.[/quote]
The fact they don’t have any new songs to add to the set doesn’t come into consideration?
Lets wait until after some of their own shows, not festivals, to complain about the set list. It may change some, it may not, but lets wait and see. I don’t feel that there is any way that they could play the exact mile high festival set list at their own shows since it would barely be 90 minutes. I really feel that we will see 3-4 more songs in the set list at their own shows. I sure hope I am right…
[quote comment=”35169″]Stop defending them. Tool have become stale..stale as bread. Their hearts just not in it anymore. Its just a cashcow for Maynard’s vino hobby. The next album should be worse than ‘10,000 Days’ in my opinion.[/quote] I think maybe Maynard isn’t into it anymore…though it’s early to draw that conclusion from one show on the new tour. But I feel like his heart is definitely somewhere else, just by the way he talks (or refuses to talk) about Tool etc. I think 10k days is musically excellent, but lyrically it’s not up to their other work. I don’t think… Read more »
Ditto to dan I completely agree people here are going way to far out of their way to defend this shit. You are not bashing the band by conceding that playing this shit for almost three fuckin years is lame.
I dont know why Adam and Justin wore all white. They should have worn black, its an appropriate color for a bands funeral. At least we have puscifer to look forward to.
NOT.
nsseegee | July 20th, 2009 at 11:04 am Quote Stop defending them. Tool have become stale..stale as bread. Their hearts just not in it anymore. Its just a cashcow for Maynard’s vino hobby. The next album should be worse than ‘10,000 Days’ in my opinion. I think maybe Maynard isn’t into it anymore…though it’s early to draw that conclusion from one show on the new tour. But I feel like his heart is definitely somewhere else, just by the way he talks (or refuses to talk) about Tool etc. I think 10k days is musically excellent, but lyrically it’s not… Read more »
[quote comment=”35174″]Ditto to dan I completely agree people here are going way to far out of their way to defend this shit.[/quote]
I’m not defending them. I don’t like the idea that the set list changes either. My point is more that why is anyone expecting any different? Didn’t you learn after 3 years.
Why the big deal now? Were you really expecting a change?
[quote comment=””][quote comment=”35174″]Ditto to dan I completely agree people here are going way to far out of their way to defend this shit.[/quote] I’m not defending them. I don’t like the idea that the set list changes either. My point is more that why is anyone expecting any different? Didn’t you learn after 3 years. Why the big deal now? Were you really expecting a change?[/quote] I would have been happy with one single itty bitty song change. Not so much to ask after four years if you count the break. It is beyond lame, beyond defendable. It is just… Read more »
[quote comment=””]I would have been happy with one single itty bitty song change. Not so much to ask after four years if you count the break. It is beyond lame, beyond defendable. It is just so ridiculous I cant even find the words to express the frustration. One song just one song…[/quote]
Well then, let’s wait for tonights show…
Wow there are some really angry reviewers on the Tool navy opinion forum.
If there aren’t any new songs on tonight’s set list I will expect everyone to be pretty shitty, myself included. There is absolutely no excuse for that, and I blame Maynard entirely.
[quote comment=””]Wow there are some really angry reviewers on the Tool navy opinion forum.
If there aren’t any new songs on tonight’s set list I will expect everyone to be pretty shitty, myself included. There is absolutely no excuse for that, and I blame Maynard entirely.[/quote]
On now Jambi.
I get the same vibe from Maynard these days, too. I know its shitty to pretend to know how someone else feels about their own music and all when you don’t even know them, but I get that from him. Its not a new vibe, but he’s become generally more dismissive and cynical about the band lately than he has been in the past. I think this thing about the recycled setlist and his refusing to perform songs is just another part of it. My opinion is he’s just found a new love growing and selling wine and dabbling in… Read more »
Im sure Danny, Justin and Adam are dying to keep performing. They are bored and would LOVE to tear into some old songs and do all the time when they jam. Its probably nostalgic and exiting for thems to play songs that the created 10 plus years ago. The bands ability to play songs has not stopped and the otrm of songs on the 10k tour really displays their love of re working old material. The only thing that has changed is the singers attitude.
I feel the same way. I think Adam and the others are still excited about the band. I think Maynard just has some mental connections to many of the lyrics he writes that makes it a fight for him to sing some of them on stage. Which is unfortunate, because it shouldn’t have to be that way. In an interview once he talked about how performing some old songs is like opening scabs, and why it makes him hesitant to do it. Instead of looking at them like scabs, I wish he could look at them like a silver lining… Read more »
[quote comment=””]I refuse to believe Maynard is so emotionally fragile or vocally incapable that he can perform Stinkfist, 46&2 and Lateralus but can’t perform songs like Parabola, H or The Grudge.[/quote]
I don’t buy the whole emotional angle, but then again I’m not Maynard. I do think though that Parabola, H and The Grudge are significantly harder vocally than the ones in the set list at the moment.
At the end of the day though, whether people like it or not, I can’t see any significant change to the set list until there’s a new album under their belt.
Same set as last night on a non festival date. I wish I took a thousand dollar loan to see a show!
I was so excited at the announcement of these summer shows. Remained wishful and positive but…..this is a load of bullshit! Nothing new or different from a year and a half ago? Not to mention even shorter with the cutting of Wings/10,000 Days. How can a seasoned band charge full price and deliver this? Total cash grab. Disappointing from probably my all time favorite band. My days of giving money to Tool are over. Hard to even consider them “artists” anymore?
Im assuming they will break out this cover everyones been talking about at the Dallas show. Some think it will be a Pink Floyd song, On The Run perhaps?.
Its almost become a pardoy to listen to TOOL these days….when people ask me what bands I’m into I am a bit reluctant to name Tool. Their usual initial response are…”Mmmm…..that’s a bit immature for your age isn’t it?” When you mention bands like Interpol (which I love) they initially respond favourably. I don’t care what anybody thinks but its is becoming embarrassing really. To be honest Tool have only themselves (Maynard mostly) to be blame. By the rate they’re going their legacy will be lost. If Tool took the approach of playing the same songs day in day out… Read more »
[quote comment=””]Im assuming they will break out this cover everyones been talking about at the Dallas show. Some think it will be a Pink Floyd song, On The Run perhaps?.[/quote]
So after 2 years we get one Pink Floyd cover??? LOL. They still haven’t played it so who knows if its the truth…
[quote comment=”35188″]Their usual initial response are…”Mmmm…..that’s a bit immature for your age isn’t it?” When you mention bands like Interpol (which I love) they initially respond favourably. .[/quote]
I’m not sure I’ve ever understood the maturity angle. How are Tool any more/less mature than Interpol?
It seems to me to be quite odd, because generally I find the average age of a bands listener base tend to age with the band.
It seems to me to be quite odd, because generally I find the average age of a bands listener base tend to age with the band.[/quote]
In the case of tool fans we actually tend to age faster than the band due to lack of tour information until the very last minute, lame over anticipated setlists that always disapoint and a band energy level that competes with Britney spears tour band. A very interesting phenomenon.
Their usual initial response are…â€Mmmm…..that’s a bit immature for your age isn’t it?â€
That’s the dumdest thing I’ve ever heard.So these people you talk to about music judge your maturity by what band you listen to? Find youself a different crowd mate.
Agreed with all the comments so far. Maynard is the very definition of a prima donna. I feel bad for the rest of the band. Those guys are full of talent and are seemingly being put on the back shelf. The Arizona wine is not special at all. I’m not giving my money to them anymore either. I felt like a complete sucker for buying his wine. I had plans on being in Cincinatti for the show but screw that. If the set list is the same then there is no way I’m gonna pay for that. I used to… Read more »
Anyone saying that listening to Tool is “immature” obviously doesn’t know the band and are simply making judgments from their name…
[quote comment=””]Anyone saying that listening to Tool is “immature” obviously doesn’t know the band and are simply making judgments from their name…[/quote] Exactly. And the only problem here, is that interpol are shit. So don’t even give me that. You can go listen to you’re crappy music all you want and spread the word about shitty bands like interpol and be some commercial conformist. Look at other great bands like mastodon or queens of the stone age, they have probly 3 different songs a show, but pretty much stick to the same setlist that the tour calls for. While Tool… Read more »
[quote comment=””][quote comment=””]Anyone saying that listening to Tool is “immature” obviously doesn’t know the band and are simply making judgments from their name…[/quote] Exactly. And the only problem here, is that interpol are shit. So don’t even give me that. You can go listen to you’re crappy music all you want and spread the word about shitty bands like interpol and be some commercial conformist. Look at other great bands like mastodon or queens of the stone age, they have probly 3 different songs a show, but pretty much stick to the same setlist that the tour calls for. While… Read more »
I’m directly pointing my finger at dan by the way.
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This is not the ten thousand days tour.[/quote]
Oh i’m sorry, did I miss their latest album after 10,000 days? I’m positive I didn’t because there wasn’t one, therefore, no new material to be released or played live since 10,000 days was released. Screw fighting and bitching on this website hey. It’s just not worth it because you people will never learn.
Whisp..you’re an immature idiot. I was the same..Tool was the “be all and end all” of music …when I was 19. Then I discovered better music and moved on. Your time will come.
To label Interpol shit really shows you have no idea..
People like whisp need to get out of their square “tool” box and start appreciating different genres of music. They would be less miserable..
[quote comment=”35201″]Whisp..you’re an immature idiot. I was the same..Tool was the “be all and end all” of music …when I was 19. Then I discovered better music and moved on. Your time will come.[/quote]
I must have missed something – Whisp said Tool were the “be all and end all” of music?
it is the 10,000 Days tour by the way, regardless of what anyone says. I think the set list is evidence of that alone…
[quote comment=””][quote comment=”35201″]Whisp..you’re an immature idiot. I was the same..Tool was the “be all and end all” of music …when I was 19. Then I discovered better music and moved on. Your time will come.[/quote] I must have missed something – Whisp said Tool were the “be all and end all” of music? it is the 10,000 Days tour by the way, regardless of what anyone says. I think the set list is evidence of that alone…[/quote] Tool is really thinking for themselves and questioning authority on this tour just like they have been the past four years. V is… Read more »
[quote comment=””]Tool is really thinking for themselves and questioning authority on this tour just like they have been the past four years. V is for vagina woo hoo![/quote]
What has any of this got to do with questioning authority? You could argue that playing a mixed set list at the request of fans is the complete opposite of thinking for themselves…
really disappointing what’s happening to tool, to my idols in rock. This is just a lack of respect towards the people who love them. Next time, if I have to choose like it happened 2 years ago, I’d rather go seeing Radiohead or other really great live acts. I’m tired of childish psyhc-sci-fi visuals as only difference with the previous shows. I want to add the I’m totally out of their videos, I’m no more interested in silly skeleton puppets that pretend to show you dark sides of the human mind.
[quote comment=”35181″]I get the same vibe from Maynard these days, too. […] he’s become generally more dismissive and cynical about the band lately than he has been in the past. I think this thing about the recycled setlist and his refusing to perform songs is just another part of it. My opinion is he’s just found a new love growing and selling wine and dabbling in music with his indie project on the side. [/quote] My thought, too. I’d love the next album to be more like an instrumental record, let MJK just make some funny background noises as a… Read more »
I am not surprised that they are playing mostly songs from the 10k days, but I am surprised that the set list seems so short. I’m reaching for reasons why this may be the case at this point. Maybe they need to work themselves back into a groove? Maybe Maynard’s voice needs worked more before he can do 12-13 songs? I sure hope that the set lengthens a little bit…
[quote comment=””]I am not surprised that they are playing mostly songs from the 10k days, but I am surprised that the set list seems so short.[/quote]
I agree, while content doesn’t bother me so much, the length of the set is disappointing.
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I agree, while content doesn’t bother me so much, the length of the set is disappointing.[/quote]
I agree. At this point, I’m hoping that the time taken up by Wings/10k days on the last tour is eventually filled by 2 other songs we haven’t heard in a long time.
Expectation is a prison.