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Puscifer comment on Youtube copyright issues

Mog messaged me today to let me know that a new statement on the Puscifer website, presumably from Maynard, offers some clarification on their ongoing fight against copyrighted videos posted on Youtube:

We are currently working on some form of reciprocal exchange. Almost 100% of the copyright infringement on uTube from other channels never gives a nod to the source. No mention of www.puscifer.com or www.youtube.com/pusciferdotcom being the official channels for Puscifer, Caduceus, A Perfect Circle, and Tool. No traffic is sent our way. This recent barrage of cease and desist notices is an attempt to correct this. People/artists doing videos using our work without permission deliver an added sting when they don’t even mention our sites. We are independent. We NEED the traffic to OUR URL’s and channels to survive as an independent project. So some form of reciprocating gesture needs to be put in place for us not to be pricks about it all. Then and only then will we consider allowing people to use our art and product in conjunction with theirs.

Having said that, NO live footage is EVER permitted. The live experience is to be enjoyed in the moment. Not on the internet.

We’ll be in touch.

Seems fair to me, though I know plenty of you would object to a live footage ban.

Also, I hope Spin take down their video, as it appears to have no reciprocal link on it Winking smile

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Lizbet
Lizbet
10 years ago

I still think he’s being very precious about the live footage material. It cannot compare to the live experience and I don’t believe it detracts from it in any way. Now admittedly I’m not someone who is into watching sub standard live recordings but getting all bent out of shape about an issue that will never be controlled is a waste of time.

If this is Maynard then I wonder that he doesn’t have plenty else to focus on.

DRURY
DRURY
10 years ago

It would be cool if Tool released their live DVD, so we could have something to reference when we want to relive the live experience once in awhile. 

 

bill462
10 years ago

I’m just being facetious but, am I allowed to tell my friends about shows I see if they weren’t there?

polarbear_15
polarbear_15
10 years ago

The live show videos subject is a tricky one. One on hand, his views are straight on. You get absolutely no where near the same experience as you would seeing it live. Not in the same ballpark, not the same sport, not on the same planet. On the other hand, there are quite a few reasons for people to watch live videos. 1) Some people simply can’t afford to see the band(s) live. 2) Some people live in crazy places like Indonesia or Iran or Australia, where any sane band would never tour. 3) Some people were 5 years old… Read more »

MAGNUS
MAGNUS
10 years ago

2lizbet – 12 hours ago  » 
Now admittedly I’m not someone who is into watching sub standard live recordings but getting all bent out of shape about an issue that will never be controlled is a waste of time.
If this is Maynard then I wonder that he doesn’t have plenty else to focus on.

Plus one.

majordoucheismyhero
majordoucheismyhero
10 years ago

All I want to know is… who shat in his corn flakes? This was never really an issue before??
I love the live recordings. I am not registered with any trading sites so I don’t have access to this stuff. Leave the fan recorded stuff up there, include all links, and there ya go.

insertcrypticnameher
insertcrypticnameher
10 years ago

as someone who’s spent thousands of dollars on Tool tickets over the years I’d just like to say that I really don’t give a flying fuck what Maynard has to say on the subject. I know the difference between the live experience and some shitty youtube clip and it’s never going to stop me from or anyone else from seeing them live. You want people to stop deifying you then maybe stop acting like your music is the key to some sacred temple. It’s a concert, not the grand canyon.

Lizbet
Lizbet
10 years ago

– Well said! Although I haven’t seen the Grand Canyon…

BellJH
BellJH
Member
10 years ago

The live experience is to be enjoyed in the moment?

What a load of bullshit. I love watching live vids on youtube. Often the sound on a well recorded live clip is better than at the actual show- especially when it comes to Maynards really quiet vocals. When I saw Tool in 2007 I didn’t actually hear Maynard’s voice once, it was totally drowned out by the crowd.

I watch videos of the show the next day on youtube, and I hear his voice crystal clear…

Mog
Mog
10 years ago

insertcrypticnameher – 44 minutes ago  »  as someone who’s spent thousands of dollars on Tool tickets over the years I’d just like to say that I really don’t give a flying fuck what Maynard has to say on the subject. I know the difference between the live experience and some shitty youtube clip and it’s never going to stop me from or anyone else from seeing them live. You want people to stop deifying you then maybe stop acting like your music is the key to some sacred temple. It’s a concert, not the grand canyon. ^ lol Talk about… Read more »

Nedak
Nedak
10 years ago

I don’t see why he has such a problem with shitty recordings of the shows on Youtube. If he were to try and shut down the videos all he’s doing is encouraging douchebags to make money off of bootlegged shows, he’s not actually stopping the “problem” itself.

insertcrypticnameher
insertcrypticnameher
10 years ago

Mog – 34 minutes ago  »  insertcrypticnameher – 44 minutes ago  »  as someone who’s spent thousands of dollars on Tool tickets over the years I’d just like to say that I really don’t give a flying fuck what Maynard has to say on the subject. I know the difference between the live experience and some shitty youtube clip and it’s never going to stop me from or anyone else from seeing them live. You want people to stop deifying you then maybe stop acting like your music is the key to some sacred temple. It’s a concert, not the… Read more »

Blue_Bleeder
Blue_Bleeder
10 years ago

If they would just put out the live DVD they have been talking about for what seems like forever we wouldn’t have to go to the internet for concert footage.

The Boss
Member
10 years ago

insertcrypticnameher – 12 hours ago  »  as someone who’s spent thousands of dollars on Tool tickets over the years I’d just like to say that I really don’t give a flying fuck what Maynard has to say on the subject. I know the difference between the live experience and some shitty youtube clip and it’s never going to stop me from or anyone else from seeing them live. You want people to stop deifying you then maybe stop acting like your music is the key to some sacred temple. It’s a concert, not the grand canyon. Winner. I’ve always viewed… Read more »

pauljamesgallagher
pauljamesgallagher
10 years ago

If Puscifer toured the world over then I agree with the sentiment that you can’t replicate the live experience online…but shag me silly, I don’t really see much (read: none at all) activity outside of North America. Until then I will still pay through the nose to get Puscifer albums delivered to the UK from their stronghold and I will still watch footage online, as it’s my only source of the ‘live experience’. I agree with the idea of linking to Puscifer’s website, etc, but the blanket ‘NONE whatsoever’ when it comes to live videos just stinks. And I say… Read more »

toolrocks
toolrocks
10 years ago

Ive taken friends to a TOOL show only because they saw it online and then said I have to see these guys live. Otherwise they never would have given a shit to see them at all because didnt care for their music at the time. It was only because someone uploaded their live show on the interweb. By the way Maynard sounded as good the other night as he did 15 yrs ago.

demorgan
10 years ago

By all means, Support the independent artists. The others that have so much money that they buy a mansion in each state..I could care less. From what I recall, the majority of these artists make a big percentage of their money from touring. Support Tool, of course. Support Puscifer, Not really, I buy individual songs if they are not shiot! Comment was made about if you can afford the internet, and blah,blah, blah..alot of people need the internet to find jobs. Also, anyone here not make a backup cassette tape and let their friends borrow it in the old days?… Read more »

demorgan
10 years ago

So, after everytime the radio plays a song, they are going to have to refer to their websites as well? lol. stupid.

polarbear_15
polarbear_15
10 years ago

demorgan – 5 minutes ago  » 
So, after everytime the radio plays a song, they are going to have to refer to their websites as well? lol. stupid.

Good thing Puscifer isn’t on the radio. Hey-o!

Mog
Mog
10 years ago

Fucking whining and bitching as justification for theft? You want something, buy it. You want to see Tool, APC or Puscifer live, buy a fucking ticket. If you happen to live in a location where Tool doesn’t tour, too bad, life sucks, shit happens. Doesn’t give you the right to steal copyrighted material.

polarbear_15
polarbear_15
10 years ago

Watching a YouTube video of a band performing live is, in no way, theft.
And even if it was… If I lived in Zimbabwe, there would be absolutely nothing immoral about watching band bootlegs, because that would be the only option of seeing the shows. There is no victim whatsoever.

Mog
Mog
10 years ago

Really? Did you pay to see that content? Did the person filming gain permission from the band to film and then upload copyrighted material? Look I am not pining over a few youtube vids. Probably 99% of the fans in the Tool community have watched Tool live on Youtube. However, uploading entire fucking concerts to youtube or file sharing websites is theft. It is piracy. Wrap it up in whatever vernacular you see fit as to make it more palatable, but it is stealing. I don’t even care if someone wants to record a performance so they themselves can capture… Read more »

Mog
Mog
10 years ago

polarbear_15 – 15 minutes ago  »  Watching a YouTube video of a band performing live is, in no way, theft. And even if it was… If I lived in Zimbabwe, there would be absolutely nothing immoral about watching band bootlegs, because that would be the only option of seeing the shows. There is no victim whatsoever. Legally, there is a victim. The band is the victim. They make money from ticket sales and merchandise. Watching a bootleg copy of an entire Tool concert without paying Tool for the material is stealing. On the other side of the debate, I think… Read more »

polarbear_15
polarbear_15
10 years ago

Well copyright infringement is not theft, first of all. That kind of hyperbole is what is getting our government to try and censor the internet. Anyway, I’m sure I can count the people on one hand who watched a Youtube video of a band and said, “Yep, good enough. I don’t need to pay to see them now.” This is an entirely different subject than piracy, too. When you pirate an album, you’re directly stealing revenue. I think we’d agree on that issue, piracy is wrong. When you watch a bootleg, it’s because there was no conceivable way you were… Read more »

Mog
Mog
10 years ago

Morality and Legality and typically separate entities, which in my opinion, is a good thing. How Morality is defined varies greatly.

Like I said dude, I don’t care about bootlegs, as long as the intent is not to distribute. But we both know that is not the case.

I absolutely do not buy into the location argument. If you have no way to attend a concert, that does not give you the legal right to download and view copyrighted material without paying for it.

polarbear_15
polarbear_15
10 years ago

Mog – 3 minutes ago  » I absolutely do not buy into the location argument. If you have no way to attend a concert, that does not give you the legal right to download and view copyrighted material without paying for it.

Legal – no. Moral – yes. “When a law is deemed immoral by you, you must disobey it.”

Lizbet
Lizbet
10 years ago

Mog – 4 minutes ago  »  Morality and Legality and typically separate entities, which in my opinion, is a good thing. How Morality is defined varies greatly. No they are not really. Our laws are supposed to reflect the moralities, or values if you like, of the society in which we live. As time progresses our societal norms and values do change but the reality is that our laws are always running behind. Perhaps we need to look at the issue of ownership in a very different way today? Would you seek for example to deny life saving drugs to… Read more »

demorgan
10 years ago

Yeah, Im sure that everyone in tool is searching their sofa for change so that they can get a meal. Fuck that. Taking away from the artists…well, Im going to take back what i paid for tool army because that shit site is broke down and nothing but ripping new members like myself the fuck off….now defend that.

demorgan
10 years ago

I guess I need to pay all the sports teams their cut , since I took pictures and video of the event. Get for real. Every tme maynard sticks his little c*ck out to complain, people have to tongue the bitch.

demorgan
10 years ago

Whoops, my bad…forgot, Please visit tool’s website. If you dont, then the next concert you see, maynard may just stand in the back so you cant see him while he acts like a alittle goth child.

The Boss
Member
10 years ago

demorgan – 8 hours ago  »  I guess I need to pay all the sports teams their cut , since I took pictures and video of the event. Get for real. Every tme maynard sticks his little c*ck out to complain, people have to tongue the bitch. Good point. I’ll be honest, I’ve always respected him as an artist – but every time he has a little tantrum AND THEN PEOPLE SUPPORT HIS HISSY FIT, it makes me want to throw all my MJK-related belongings out the fucking window. Talk about a prima donna. Just because you have talent doesn’t… Read more »

Jethro Tool
Jethro Tool
10 years ago

He only does it to be like all the other rock stars from his youth cos he thinks thats how you should behave! He is an excellent singer but there is nothing original there – voice borrowed from Ian Anderson, make up by Peter Gabriel, judo by l’oreal… its all gonna go tits up after this new album anyway it got itunes written all over it!

InFlamesOfBirchmen
InFlamesOfBirchmen
10 years ago

Mog – 18 hours ago  »  Morality and Legality and typically separate entities, which in my opinion, is a good thing. How Morality is defined varies greatly. Like I said dude, I don’t care about bootlegs, as long as the intent is not to distribute. But we both know that is not the case. I absolutely do not buy into the location argument. If you have no way to attend a concert, that does not give you the legal right to download and view copyrighted material without paying for it. I guess I don’t understand the point of selling/purchasing a… Read more »

nameloc01
nameloc01
10 years ago

A “bootleg” is a live or unreleased studio recording that made and SOLD against a musicians wishes..the key word here is “SOLD”.. A “counterfeit/pirate” recording is an attempt to copy a.commercially available recording to sell (obviously against.a bands wishes and 100% illegal) An audience recording is just that. It only violates a band or venue policy. Not illegal..and its not “theft”…that is a weak arguement and anyone crying about that A) is wrong and or lying B) sounds like a crybaby. You guys need to stop referring to audience/fan recordings as “bootlegs”..that is unless it fits the above criteria. It… Read more »

markuspoop
10 years ago

Guess I am the only one who hosts giant Tool-“concert” parties at my house where I invite dozens, if not hundreds, of people over, where I charge a small fee and we all watch a Tool concert on the flat-screen via bootlegs. And now some think I should stop? Drat, what am I gonna do with all my boxes of merch now?

Lizbet
Lizbet
10 years ago

Poopyface – 1 hour ago  » 
Guess I am the only one who hosts giant Tool-“concert” parties at my house where I invite dozens, if not hundreds, of people over, where I charge a small fee and we all watch a Tool concert on the flat-screen via bootlegs. And now some think I should stop? Drat, what am I gonna do with all my boxes of merch now?

There will be a grace period. Plenty of time for a couple of last big events.

DBagel
DBagel
10 years ago

admin – 19 minutes ago  » 
I would note that it is possible to profit from Youtube videos as the uploader can generate revenue from the ads generated.

Huntingtonst I believe does that.

buk
buk
10 years ago

Tool is an independent artist?

Nedak
Nedak
10 years ago

nameloc01 – 6 hours ago  »  A “bootleg” is a live or unreleased studio recording that made and SOLD against a musicians wishes..the key word here is “SOLD”.. A “counterfeit/pirate” recording is an attempt to copy a.commercially available recording to sell (obviously against.a bands wishes and 100% illegal) An audience recording is just that. It only violates a band or venue policy. Not illegal..and its not “theft”…that is a weak arguement and anyone crying about that A) is wrong and or lying B) sounds like a crybaby. You guys need to stop referring to audience/fan recordings as “bootlegs”..that is unless… Read more »

nameloc01
nameloc01
10 years ago

To the post above..Ive been caught taping…questioned by venue management,band management and the Cleveland Police…take a guess what happened..? Nothing..I walked out.. Do you know why..?.because its not illegal. Get your facts straight.

nameloc01
nameloc01
10 years ago

Its been ruled by Federal Courts as not illegal…simple fact.

Nedak
Nedak
10 years ago

nameloc01 – 11 minutes ago  »  To the post above..Ive been caught taping…questioned by venue management,band management and the Cleveland Police…take a guess what happened..? Nothing..I walked out.. Do you know why..?.because its not illegal. Get your facts straight. Your logic and your sentence structure is hilarious. Keep doing that and see if it’s illegal or not. “Hey guys, stealing packs of gum is not illegal! I once stole a pack of gum and they caught me and yelled at me! You know what happened? NOTHING. Because it’s not illegal. Get your facts straight”. nameloc01 – 1 minute ago  » … Read more »

Naattik
10 years ago

From one source discussing the topic: “Most artists have made little effort to pursue legal action about bootleg recordings, viewing such “rarities trading” as harmless provided that it is not being done for profit. The benefits of interfering with such trading are fairly minimal compared to the potential ill-will generated against the artist, as the illicit works are generally circulated among the artist’s most loyal fans, which have the most interest. Most record companies also have not shown an interest in pursuing or prosecuting small-scale bootleggers, but this could change at any time.” A snip from some interesting info listed… Read more »

nighserenity
nighserenity
10 years ago

I would like to clarify that it is not illegal to tape the show, but it is illegal to upload it or share it. In order to prevent the sharing from happening, the artist/venue/label/etc. enforces a no taping policy because, obviously, many people don’t tape for their own personal use. As someone already mentioned, one can profit from their youtube channel, but don’t forget Google generates revenue from people visiting the site. The reason action is not taken against individuals is because it is expensive. It is preferred to simply force the removal of the material. Copyrighted material that is… Read more »

Ns1
Ns1
10 years ago

kittaan – 5 minutes ago  »  A snip from some interesting info listed under the “Legal issues” heading. By no means the “evidence” you mentioned. I am interested in seeing further responses on this topic. boom, lawyered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_Round_Agreements_Act Title V of the URAA made several modifications to the Copyright law of the United States. It amended Title 17 (“Copyrights”) of the United States Code to include a completely reworded article 104A on copyright restorations on foreign works and to include a new chapter 11, containing a prohibition of bootleg sound and video recordings of live performances. In Title 18 of… Read more »

insertcrypticnameher
insertcrypticnameher
10 years ago

poop.

Ns1
Ns1
10 years ago

insertcrypticnameher – 46 seconds ago  »  Nedak – 1 hour ago  »  nameloc01 – 6 hours ago  »  A “bootleg” is a live or unreleased studio recording that made and SOLD against a musicians wishes..the key word here is “SOLD”.. A “counterfeit/pirate” recording is an attempt to copy a.commercially available recording to sell (obviously against.a bands wishes and 100% illegal) An audience recording is just that. It only violates a band or venue policy. Not illegal..and its not “theft”…that is a weak arguement and anyone crying about that A) is wrong and or lying B) sounds like a crybaby. You… Read more »

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