With recent developments in the US over same sex equality in mind, Maynard had the following to say on gay marriage:
Where to begin? Maybe I’m missing some insider info. Maybe the religious zealots are in fact as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent as their one true God. Maybe they have a working knowledge or understanding of his plan. And therefore our celebration of this glorious day will be met with eternal damnation, fire and brimstone, blah blah blah.
Or maybe circumstances have changed. Just like when it was supposedly necessary to write a Bible V2 aka The New Testament. Maybe we are in fact coming closer to a Revelation, a Rapture, or a Home Coming of sorts. Maybe there is a divine plan that no one could possibly comprehend. And the religious zealots are in fact NOT omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent. Maybe this one God of pure light of which they speak put forth a test. And the test was to recognize pure LOVE. I’ll say it again in case you were speed reading. Maybe the entry level test was to recognize pure LOVE aka LIGHT, Infinite and without Judgement. And they all fucking blew it. (PLEASE PLEASE follow through with your threats to set yourselves on fire. Soooo many problems solved.)Or maybe I’m wrong and we’ll all be smoking turds in hell.
Doubtful.
Congratulations to LOVE winning over antiquated archaic judgement.
M J Keenan
World Class Multi Tasker,
Curmudgeon, Musician, Winemaker.
Bigoted trolls – feel free to keep your opinions to yourselves.
Pimpin’.
God. What would we have done without Chodus brilliant comment….Amen.
Shoot, we all thought you’d be in a courthouse gettin’ hitched.
Awesome loved every word.
Goes without saying. I’m kinda grossed out by all the self congratulatory patting on the backs.
Personally, I hope this victory will end the debate and I hope we can all just move on and get along. However, this isn’t really over. Wait until a gay couple (with the media in tow) head down to their local catholic church and demand a wedding. When that church politely says they can’t do that….
BOOM! Here we go again.
Personally I’d argue that a private venue (be it a church or other property) is well within their rights to say no to a gay (or any other type of) marriage taking place there.
I agree HB, but so is baking a cake or making a pizza. Those poor people got crucified by saying no.
The churches will be the next target, and that fight will not be pretty.
I’m not sure I understand your point, or the relevance of cake and pizza?
HB, I think he is talking about a media story where a bakery refused to make a gay wedding cake here in the US.
I think churches/temples should (and will) have the right to refuse a gay marriage. I mean if it is against the religion, it wouldn’t really make sense to allow it.
We have to remember LEGALLY, marriage isn’t religious. You have to go court to get married, right? The ceremony in a church doesn’t really matter LEGALLY. In a court of law, all marriage should be recognized across the country.
Thin, crispy cracker crust pizza = nom nom nom!
I’m hungry now.
Hellboy… Here in the states of A, there have been a few instances where, say, a bakery refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The bakery went on to become ostracized by everyone and their dogs (a.k.a. public enemy numero uno, the media) and subsequently closed the doors to their business. Gay marriage is fine with me, but agree or not, an ages-long institution has been targeted and destroyed with the help of the aforementioned public enemy we have here. Next up will be women marrying horses, sea captains tying the knot with supermodels, and Patty and Selma… Read more »
is this sarcasm or are you actually this dumb?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/04/01/indiana-family-pizzeria-wont-cater-gay-weddings/70813430/
What are the chances this pizza shop would EVER be asked to cater a gay wedding? That does NOT matter. The reporter knew they were a christian business and he KNEW what how they would answer his ridiculous question.
The same judges that voted against the marriage equality bill just voted (and won) to allow states to kill prisoners with an experimental drug. How fucked up is that? It is hard to read Scalia’s dissent against the gay marriage ruling, then LESS THAN ONE WEEK LATER, see him vote in favor of this one. For me, this sums up a lot of the frustration I’ve been feeling from conservative thinkers: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/29/glossip_v_gross_supreme_court_upholds_lethal_injection_protocol.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
I’m not in favor of capital punishment, but your facts are slightly out of context. The drug is only to be used in botched executions. Several lethal injections have gone wrong and the inmates suffered before passing.
I remember reading about the botched executions, but that context I didn’t know. If that is indeed true, that information makes the conversation a little more nuanced. For some reason, I’m even more infuriated now. I’m going to let that roll around my head for a while.
Why do some gay people still want to be part of any religion that persecutes them? You would think that if the bible says being gay is a crime then gay people would be like “Meh… I’m good on that”. I’m all for this but don’t attack churches and business because they refuse to serve you… It’s their right to do that and once you take that away then you’re basically saying “Here, take my rights because they are useless too”… For the record, I’m straight, not religious and I support marriage between two people that love each other. It’s… Read more »
it’s not a double standard to demand businesses serve historically marginalized minority groups. We did so with Heart of Atlanta in 1964 and I don’t believe we lost any rights or rendered them useless as a result:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Atlanta_Motel,_Inc._v._United_States
As for Churches and religious institutions, I will give a fuck about their plight when they stop enjoying tax exempt status and government grants
and to add, SCOTUS has carved out an exception for political, religious or otherwise ideological groups to exclude people from membership on the basis of anything they if the inclusion of them goes against the first amendment purpose of the group itself (ie can’t force the Klan to accept blacks). So no, the Catholic church isn’t going to be forced to accept gays:
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_699
I think you misunderstood my point but that’s ok because this is a very complex subject to discuss. Especially through a text forum as such…
I don’t give a shit about the churches either but if we’re going to play ball in this country and respect religious freedoms and such… well, then we’re going to have to respect the choices of the churches as well.
We can’t have our cake and eat it too now…
Right but I think you missed mine; your argument is just a strawman since as of yet no one has argued for the church to be forced to change their doctrines to conform with gay marriage via state mandate. Not only that but it has been expressly ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS in 2000. And even if they did I would argue that your religious freedom to discriminate ends where your support from the federal government begins. Nothing to do with having your cake and eating it to. Marriage is a state function under a secular constitution and it should be… Read more »
Actually I just in headlines the other day that a gay male couple was going to sue a church for not hosting their wedding ceremony… Search “Millionaire gay couple sues church” if you’re interested. I do understand that it’s going on in England however, this is bleeding into the view points of gay couples here in American based on discussions I’ve seen occur across the internet with American gay couples or individuals. So there certainly will be a relevance here in American in a very short time from now. As for the church… that discrimination is built into their religion… Read more »
i think you’re probably one of the least informed people on this topic. you should stick to debating the whereabouts of the next t00l record and leave the social topics alone…. actually outside of a few posters nearly everyone on this feed is incredibly misinformed. like its clear the majority of you don’t know anyone who is gay. or just know that one dude in the office who happens to be gay. i have license on this topic. together with my partner for 22 years, and officially married for one of those years (thanks California!). no one on our team… Read more »
What the fuck are you talking about? First of all… I know plenty of gay people and congratulations to you for the win. I think gay people deserve to marry the person they love and should not be ostracized for their sexual preferences and life choices. I don’t think that you’re immoral for any of this and I never said “ALL GAY PEOPLE” anywhere did I? There are a lot of gay people that I have spoken to and I have seen it across social media that SOME are upset that the churches can’t accept them… All I’m saying is… Read more »
One last thing… I never debated anything… I merely asked why gay people would waste their time on gaining acceptance from an organization that will never accept them and doesn’t have to accept them.
Also, as a resident of California… I voted for your right to get lawfully married every time I had the chance. Your hateful and uninspiring weak minded retort was very disappointing.
Congratulations. Hopefully you can put the past behind you someday.
Because it’s better to confront a problem than ignore it.
By the logic you’re using here, African-Americans in the ’60s should have emigrated to another country that accepted instead of trying to fight for civil rights here in America. Why should they have stayed in a culture that looked down on them and treated them as inferior?
Dude… Where do I begin…. The civil rights movement is not even close to the conversation of gay marriage vs the church. A majority of white America helped the civil rights movement progress with their voting power. So a majority of white America supported blacks having equal rights. What bible supports gay marriage? No Christian our Catholic bible that’s for sure. And those bibles/religions will ever accept homosexuality. Is it right? Fuck no… Is it against the law… Nope not even a little. Your comment sir… Is completely retarded almost all of you that have responded to me have misunderstood… Read more »
it’s a wonder there was ever any problem in the first place, what with all the support from white people and all
Jesus tits… I give up… Hateful bunch not willing to converse in any productive manner.
Passive aggressive trolling will get you far…
I have seen the future and I now can see there is no new Tool album for any of us.
They will break up before years end
Main Man layin’ down like a boss
kinda cool how he used lyrics from his songs over the years in this rant..
hmm, i must admit i hadnt thought about if certain churches wont allow it then really it should be alirght. i was too caught up in how crazy it is they are against it. mostly cause i have family that lives down in Tennesse and my cousin posted some b.s about it and i thought it was a shame and it just pissed me off mostly. its still weird and wrong they think the way they do as the rest of the world moves forward but you guys are right, they have the choice to say no,if they want to… Read more »
It really is their choice. If we take that choice away from them then we’re not living up to what this country is all about. I agree though… it does suck that people are so narrow minded. There’s a bigger picture here and these “Zealots” seem to be missing the train.
It certainly is wrong but I wouldn’t want anybody forcing me to do something I didn’t believe in.
I think you are confusing two different things:
1) The state should not be able to mandate that churches perform religious ceremonies or otherwise change their internal belief system.
2) exercising “their choice” does not insulate them from public criticism or ridicule. Freedom of speech means the right to disagree as well. You have the personal choice to carry around a sign that says God Hates Fags but I have the right to vocally criticize you for it. That’s not “taking away your choice.”
I think you and I have the same view points but I may not be expressing my point of view clearly. Like I said before, it’s a complicated topic to discuss over a textual format…
For me anyways…
Love wins? Bullshit. When you need to go the federal government and have them put an imposition on the whole country to make you feel like your love is legitimized…Well fuck that. We have different names for that… Sure, there’s a lot of CRAZY religious people who think gay marriage is satan and whatnot, but guess what? That is their right to freedom of religion, and every one of you fuckers that think this country took a step in the right direction…You get what’s coming to this country. Love wins? No. The government just took away more of our collective… Read more »
How does a gay couple getting married impact your rights?
That’s not what I said, now was it? The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT just overstepped all the State’s sovereignty to impose the FEDERAL mandate over everybody, regardless of which state. You know, the same federal government that raids marijuana farmers in states where it is medically/legally allowed by the states. The Supreme Court just said FUCK your religious rights, this is what is going to happen. People are making this issue out to be about love and EQUALITY and gay rights and “I’m a human being too dammit!” You all are being played like tools, and I’m speaking to everyone that is… Read more »
It should be:
#InsecurityWins
why didn’t you answer his/her question?
Because like you, he did not recognize my point about the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT extending it’s power over all the states. Like I said earlier, it’s the same federal government that swat teams marijuana farmers in states where marijuana is medically/legally allowed…by who? The STATE. I don’t claim to be an expert on how our government is supposed to work, but do you not see the inherent danger of that. DUDE. I want gay people to be happy and fulfilled and married and whatever else they wish to do. But the whole gay movement has been coopted by some very dark… Read more »
My mistake, I thought you might have had a coherent point, I didn’t realize you were just a whackjob.
And nowhere in the Bill of Rights or anywhere in the Constitution does it mention god or “supreme creator.” Maybe lay off the breitbart, or whatever, man.
I want to say you’re being disingenuous, but that would be giving you too much credit at this point…
Now, you are either a liar or another ignorant know-nothing. Sad. Please do yourself a favor and read the Bill of Rights…and if you don’t want to agree with it then you are everything about America that needs to be flushed down the toilet.
See that? That is what is called excercising free speech. If you wish to use your right to spread lies, prepare yourself for the consequences. I’m done with you.
*I meant the Declaration of Independence, not the Bill of Rights
sounds like your the one who is insecure.
buddy, ive been there, done that. I dipped my foot in your water at a time where my hormonal equilibrium and overall nutritional profile was at it’s worst. I’ll leave it at that for your imagination.
I speak from experience. Is that what you call insecurity?
@nad – kinda cool how he used lyrics from his songs over the years in this rant..
Umm… exactly what lyrics?
Or just that he used some similar and/or same words?
^^ Words/lyrics taken from Merkaba (Salival):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjYk9dgBB3w
It’s some kind of psychedelic experience
Our body is light, we are immortal
Our body is love, we are eternal
Eternal
Omniscient
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Without judgement
Thanks to Maynard, now I know what to make of all this. Could we petition to have him speak on trannys as well? That is still murky waters for me. I think in some ways the slogan love wins is apt. It doesn’t always win, evidently, but in this case it beat out this discrimination towards people who love their own kind. I can get behind equality. In fact all people are equals on this planet. Given any situation, any person can make any choice they want, and now we are one step closer to this being true without repercussions… Read more »
@ Mattw
I’d like to stand corrected, but instead i think i will bitch like maynerd about how this little foray into speaking about marriage equality is further pushing back the album release.
Lazy good for nothings… time has passed… now irrelevant… nothing good since 2001…
In all seriousness though, thanks for that, i rarely bother with merkaba these days.
*putting the headphones on*
^^ I actually really like Salival and hope the band have recorded something similar this year as a little Xmas treat for us to enjoy while they write/record/master their new album. Just follow the same pattern as the year 2000 when they were working on Lateralus, dropped Salival in December with a sticker saying “new album April” and then released it in early May, 2001. I’d be more than happy if they did the same thing this year and next. I’ve always loved listening to the raw energy in Salival’s ‘Part of Me’ but the trio of You Lied/Merkaba/No Quarter… Read more »
Calling everyone “equal” means nothing. Nobody is equal to each other.
It assumes some people are at an advantage which is a myth because it is always a case by case basis.
Don’t ever feel the need to be equal to anybody. Do your own damn thing and don’t give a fuck where everyone else stands.
I’m going to preface this by saying I’m not a religious nut of any kind BUT I loved (note sarcasm) how MJK talks about how LOVE conquers over antiquated archaic judgement and then proceeds to bash all the religious zealots, and even wishes they would light themselves on fire. No hate there. Just love,.. right? If you are gonna be all PURE LOVE RULES EVERYTHING and ride on that high horse, at least reserve the judgement about who’s right & who’s wrong, and who should kill themselves along the way. You honestly sound no different than the zealots. Being Far… Read more »
Well there was a religious zealot that said he was going to light himself on fire if gay marriage were legalized… maybe Maynard was just saying… “Hey! Show us your commitment! Set an example!”
People sure like to throw around the LOVE word a lot.
It means very little these days.
Drury your points are super deep and everything, but “equal” in this context means “equal rights under the law.” Hope that helps.