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Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:07 am**

hellboy wrote:Disaster! While cleaning my desk I threw away my list! Will have to try and remember how my top 4 went...

I don't think anyone really cares at this point

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:42 am**

HB, just go off of your list that I keep quoting.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:15 pm**

Not Tyson wrote:Meh, I was wrong, they are all retarded

Once everyone was satisfied with the mixes, they flew to Portland, Maine, to master the project at Bob Ludwig's Gateway Mastering facility. Ludwig used the Pyramix Virtual Studio DAW and a state-of-the-art Sound Performance Laboratory analog console. Ludwig, Barresi and the band listened through 800-pound Eggleston Works Ivy Speakers that are actually seated down to bedrock. Ludwig also used George Massenburg and Manley EQs on the project.

Even though Ludwig has mastered countless projects, he gets excited about Tool albums. “They're a great combination of heaviness and yet huge dynamic range,” he says. “They're one band that came in, and I think Danny said, ‘We don't care if we're the loudest thing on the radio. We just want you to maintain our dynamics.’ You have to really respect that in a band.”

http://mixonline.com/recording/projects ... ools_days/

bwhahahahahaha WOW and people think I am an arrogant fuck. You actually think your opinion is more valid than Bob Fucking Ludwig? Award winning, world renowned mastering engineer and yet somehow he is retarded because he doesn't agree with Tyson's uneducated opinion on mastering?

Look 10,000 Days is NOT as good an album as Lateralus or Aenima but in terms of mixing and mastering the album sounds exactly how the band wanted it to. You might not like the direction they took and I think most of us agree that Bottrill does a better job of capturing Tool at their best, but from a mixing/mastering perspective there is nothing specifically WRONG with 10,000 Days. I know you probably can't afford a good enough set of speakers or headphones to properly appreciate the way the album sounds so I will cut you some slack.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:46 pm**

MOG wrote:
Look 10,000 Days is NOT as good an album as Lateralus or Aenima

... and in fairness to 10,000 days, I think a lot of us can agree that those two albums are two of the better albums ever made, by any band. I think expectations should be tempered for the next album; people are only going to disappoint themselves if they compare everything to those two albums. It's like looking at a painting and saying "it's okay, but it's not as good as Starry Night."

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:10 pm**

inspiration_tactic wrote:
MOG wrote:
Look 10,000 Days is NOT as good an album as Lateralus or Aenima
... and in fairness to 10,000 days, I think a lot of us can agree that those two albums are two of the better albums ever made, by any band. I think expectations should be tempered for the next album; people are only going to disappoint themselves if they compare everything to those two albums. It's like looking at a painting and saying "it's okay, but it's not as good as Starry Night."

Agreed. I don't respect what Tool have become but there is no denying that Aenima and Lateralus are masterpiece level albums by any metric in any genre.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:53 pm**

MOG wrote:
inspiration_tactic wrote:
MOG wrote:
Look 10,000 Days is NOT as good an album as Lateralus or Aenima
... and in fairness to 10,000 days, I think a lot of us can agree that those two albums are two of the better albums ever made, by any band. I think expectations should be tempered for the next album; people are only going to disappoint themselves if they compare everything to those two albums. It's like looking at a painting and saying "it's okay, but it's not as good as Starry Night."
Agreed. I don't respect what Tool have become but there is no denying that Aenima and Lateralus are masterpiece level albums by any metric in any genre.

What have TOOL "become" exactly? It seems to me they have kept the same set of ideals for their entire career. The only thing that has changed is the music, and it's gotten better, much better, in my opinion...

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:55 pm**

They've become a band that take a long time between album. Nothing new of course, but MOG still hates it.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:41 am**

Number 4 is finally here an it's The Grudge!

Lateralus has almost the perfect opening track. The Grudge is one that features great work from all four members of the band, and is most commonly the track I recommend to new fans to listen to in order to see what Tool really sound like.

When I heard it I felt like Justin was truly a member of the band for the first time. The bass work in the track is excellent, and it was clear to me that Justin was now out of the shadow of Paul’s work on Aenima. There’s some memorable lyrics from Maynard as well, not to mention the 30 second scream at the end.

Danny owns the track at the end though – the last 30 seconds feature some of my favorite drumming on any song by any band, and one of the fills in particular is out of this world.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:25 am**

The couple of minutes surrounding the "dividing/sinking deeper!" part are absolute musical perfection.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:26 am**

It's a track that I often forget about - mostly because it lives in the shadow of The Patient - one of the greatest "rock" songs of all time - but a decent #4 nonetheless....

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:45 am**

There are very few songs in this world that I enjoy more than The Grudge, and a few of those few are also by tool

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:08 am**

ah The Grudge. Good choice admin. The Grudge is so much better live imo, it's a bit faster and it doesn't sound like maynard is taking a shit.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:19 am**

Ettan wrote:ah The Grudge. Good choice admin. The Grudge is so much better live imo, it's a bit faster and it doesn't sound like maynard is taking a shit.

Haha good call. Yeah this song is special, for all of the reasons already listed, but this is also the first tool song I heard live. Still makes my sack tingle just thinking about that crazy night.

They really do make a statement with this opener, I wonder if we will be treated to a similar stand out on the next album?

And I'm not even sure if I can think of three tool songs better than this? Maybe Third Eye...ummm

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:28 am**

The Grudge was probably the first song half or more of us heard live from Tool.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:17 pm**

Calfium Jay wrote:It's a track that I often forget about - mostly because it lives in the shadow of The Patient - one of the greatest "rock" songs of all time - but a decent #4 nonetheless....

^ Yup. The Patient > The Grudge

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:31 pm**

markuspoop wrote:
markuspoop wrote:
hellboy wrote:Saw that on reddit the other day. Â I wouldn't have Vicarious or Parabola on my list, but other than that if it was ok.

If I were to do a top 10 it would be something like:

Aenima

Lateralus

Third Eye

Stinkfist 4. The Grudge

The Grudge 5. Stinkfist

Pushit 6. Pushit

Rosetta Stoned 7. Eulogy

Schism 8. Hooker with a Penis

Flood 9. Jambi

Eulogy 10. Flood

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:34 pm**

I think if I were actually do one of these lists, The Grudge would be #1 on it. That bit around the 3:50ish mark is boner-riffic. Plus I think it was the song that got me back into the band.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:55 pm**

I've got 5 out of 7 so far! But I was a fool for leaving Third Eye off. Interesting observation on Justin stepping out of Paul's shadow with The Grudge. I think the song's intracacies show that as well as how everyone shines in it. But I always thought 46 & 2 was a great example of Justin's presence and originality too, especially since it was his first song with the band I think. You can really tell the whole band grew with both songs, but for being his first song with the band I think he was already stepping out strongly.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:19 pm**

Aside from the spectacular drum fill that puts the cherry on top, my favorite part of The Grudge is that brief little bit of silence they give you before "Defining! Confining! Controlling!... and we're sinking deeper!" They explode back in, switching the rhythms for the first time in the song. The first time I heard that part, I knew I found the band. I can't help but get jacked the fuck up when I think about it. Great observation HB kind of allowing The Grudge to be the definitive Tool song; the song that you suggest a new listener go with first. While it is a long song, I feel it is one of the most 'accessible' songs on Lateralus, thus a new listener would probably be more receptive to that... moreso than many of the others on the album. I never got to see it live... fuck me.

Posted: **Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:22 pm**

inspiration_tactic wrote:While it is a long song, I feel it is one of the most 'accessible' songs on Lateralus, thus a new listener would probably be more receptive to that... moreso than many of the others on the album. I never got to see it live... fuck me.

Exactly my point. The Grudge in my opinion is definitely their most accessible "long" song, and for a new listener is part of a great intro to the band. Without giving much away, the remaining three songs (well two at least) are more complex Tool numbers that are songs I love, but perhaps not ones that will grip a casual fan immediately.

Posted: **Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:26 am**

3: Lateralus
2: Third Eye
1: Reflection

Posted: **Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:20 am**

HB's remaining 3 are: Third Eye, Lateralus, Aenima.

Posted: **Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:22 am**

markuspoop wrote:HB's remaining 3 are: Third Eye, Lateralus, Aenima.

Your guesswork is throwing the board into chaos.

Posted: **Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:42 am**

3.Triad
2.Triad
1.Triad

Posted: **Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:20 am**

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