F O U R T H E Y E

children wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:11 pm

Teenage angst is merely a way to describe the aggression of Tool's early songs, particularly the way Maynard used to sing them. I wasn't literally calling you a teenager, but I am willing to bet you were a teenager when you first heard Tool and that aggression was what drew you to them in the first place because that's how they managed to gain a following for the majority of their audience in the 90's. Are my assumptions wrong so far?

As Tool progressed, they moved further from that aggression and explored a more tranquil sound as they matured. Some people were turned off and were upset about the change because in their eyes Tool had lost what was compelling for them. Each album gradually lost a little bit more of that 'teenage angst,' but it still came through here and there. Lateralus still had a good amount of it in Maynard's vocals in songs like Grudge, Ticks, and there were moments in Parabola and Schism where you had Maynard's climactic delivery that satisfied that itch, so people eventually came to appreciate it.

On 10k, there was even less aggression that called back to the early days. Even more people were turned off, with the only aggressive songs being Vicarious, Jambi, and The Pot. Even then that 'teenage angst' was only sparsley there and didn't quite satisfy that itch for a lot of people.

So as far as I can tell that is the logical explanation for why 10k was such a let down for so many people, and why Fear Inoculum is a let down for the exact same reason. People keep expecting Tool to go back to a previous time in their career and it's just not going to happen...

tys0n wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:54 pm Kinda feel they rushed this album.

tys0n wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:54 pm Kinda feel they rushed this album.

Calfium Jay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:05 pm

children wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:11 pm

Teenage angst is merely a way to describe the aggression of Tool's early songs, particularly the way Maynard used to sing them. I wasn't literally calling you a teenager, but I am willing to bet you were a teenager when you first heard Tool and that aggression was what drew you to them in the first place because that's how they managed to gain a following for the majority of their audience in the 90's. Are my assumptions wrong so far?

As Tool progressed, they moved further from that aggression and explored a more tranquil sound as they matured. Some people were turned off and were upset about the change because in their eyes Tool had lost what was compelling for them. Each album gradually lost a little bit more of that 'teenage angst,' but it still came through here and there. Lateralus still had a good amount of it in Maynard's vocals in songs like Grudge, Ticks, and there were moments in Parabola and Schism where you had Maynard's climactic delivery that satisfied that itch, so people eventually came to appreciate it.

On 10k, there was even less aggression that called back to the early days. Even more people were turned off, with the only aggressive songs being Vicarious, Jambi, and The Pot. Even then that 'teenage angst' was only sparsley there and didn't quite satisfy that itch for a lot of people.

So as far as I can tell that is the logical explanation for why 10k was such a let down for so many people, and why Fear Inoculum is a let down for the exact same reason. People keep expecting Tool to go back to a previous time in their career and it's just not going to happen...

You should write a book. On what exactly, I couldn't say. Perhaps a story about someone who's waiting for a bus and inadvertently becomes involved in a drive by shooting. Maybe.

Anyway, definitely write a book. Not saying it will be any good or anything, as your level of grammatical and artistic expression - not to mention your creative flair - is immature to say the least.

But yeah, do it.

Boldizar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:43 am Tool sucks and made me buy an album I hate AND took 13 years to do it! Bastards.

snazzlefrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:13 pm Nah it was Maynard’s constant badgering. They should have spent at least 4 more years.

tys0n wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:54 pm Kinda feel they rushed this album.

GabesCaves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm

snazzlefrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:13 pm Nah it was Maynard’s constant badgering. They should have spent at least 4 more years.

At least Maynard nailed it on Pneuma

ms2r wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:23 pm No, Pneuma is all previous Tool evolved into THE masterpiece of TooL.

bob wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:05 pm

GabesCaves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm

snazzlefrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:13 pm Nah it was Maynard’s constant badgering. They should have spent at least 4 more years.

At least Maynard nailed it on Pneuma

i like Pneuma quite a bit but its basically Parabola part II without as many words but the same meaning and it sounds like the patient a little bit in some parts.

hellboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:51 am Maynard's work is pretty low on my list of criticisms on this album. There's very little of him on it I don't like. No real shortage of catchy hooks and melodies imo.

It's just he sings different, which is always going to rub some up the wrong way.

GabesCaves wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm

snazzlefrass wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:13 pm Nah it was Maynard’s constant badgering. They should have spent at least 4 more years.

At least Maynard nailed it on Pneuma

Takeo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:07 pm Maybe not for fans who continue to manufacture ways to convince themselves they like it more than they actually do.

Boldizar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:12 am

Takeo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:07 pm Maybe not for fans who continue to manufacture ways to convince themselves they like it more than they actually do.

DAMN! He saw right through me! Takeo knows best.

M0G wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:18 pm
@Boldi - whats poppin mang hope the day is treating you well

Takeo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:07 pm Maybe not for fans who continue to manufacture ways to convince themselves they like it more than they actually do.

M0G wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:18 pm @The Grudge - Nothing left to complain about. We had a hell of a run. I will miss you.

Boldizar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:32 pm liz spitting hot fire!