I'm pretty sure it was their only option.
What's up Lotus. Good to see you back.
I'm pretty sure it was their only option.
What's up Lotus. Good to see you back.
He puts in a pretty half arsed effort during triad
I thought Triad was some of his best work
I know Mog is certainly hopeful he can replicate some of that stellar work on this new album264zn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:40 pmI thought Triad was some of his best work
It totally sounds like he should come in at the gong hit with some subtle, long notes, sort of responding to the guitar but not getting in the way, cutting out as the end guitar solo comes in. This would tie everything together to me. Unless! the entire 'A/Descending" thing was a reference to how the song is essentially divided into to two parts, the one with words and the other half as an instrumental.
Defiantly think if there is no lyrical content then it should and will be spilt some how. A/Descending the order just seams flipped to me like the whole band should finish this epic tune. Kind of like all their other songs.Boldizar wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:44 amIt totally sounds like he should come in at the gong hit with some subtle, long notes, sort of responding to the guitar but not getting in the way, cutting out as the end guitar solo comes in. This would tie everything together to me. Unless! the entire 'A/Descending" thing was a reference to how the song is essentially divided into to two parts, the one with words and the other half as an instrumental.
What’s his other bass?atax wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:13 am Hi there, I attended Prague and Vienna shows and noticed Justin uses a HH Musicman Stingray during Descending. I didnt see this mentioned before, I thought I would share it here, it was interesting to me - being a JC fan-. (I wonder if he used it also in the studio)
That is the thing, this isn't one section, it's an entire half of a song (and one half that is long than most songs in general). For a band with a vocalist, it comes off as odd to any reasonable observer. The test it doesn't pass for me is, what would be the difference if Maynard sang on none of the song? If it is so natural for him not to do anything to tie the end together, why can't the first half be instrumental as well? The music is essentially the same thematically in the second half, why is one part considered an "instrumental" and the other not? Because Maynard sings and Maynard doesn't. If he had sang at the end, no one would have thought twice about it. Sure, maybe it's a creative choice, whatever that is fine. But the generally accepted tone of the argument that this makes perfect sense is lacking.
Thanks! I completely agree and I love that kind of adds to this “mystery” surrounding Descending that I know I’ve created in my mind and see others are on that same wave!Boldizar wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:00 amThat is the thing, this isn't one section, it's an entire half of a song (and one half that is long than most songs in general). For a band with a vocalist, it comes off as odd to any reasonable observer. The test it doesn't pass for me is, what would be the difference if Maynard sang on none of the song? If it is so natural for him not to do anything to tie the end together, why can't the first half be instrumental as well? The music is essentially the same thematically in the second half, why is one part considered an "instrumental" and the other not? Because Maynard sings and Maynard doesn't. If he had sang at the end, no one would have thought twice about it. Sure, maybe it's a creative choice, whatever that is fine. But the generally accepted tone of the argument that this makes perfect sense is lacking.
This song would be way more rounded with a some panting murmurs underneath the Misery Signals breakdown with a pitched yell with the gong hit, reaffirming the passionate call from the first half. My secret hope is that this is indeed what happens, but Maynard is saving his voice or something.
@Shed523 Justin plays Wals normally. I am curious to hear from him why he is changing it up for that tune.
Crazy to think that a whole new generation is discovering Tool right now, that's gotta be a part of it. About a good third of Pushit and Third Eye are vox-less, Flood's intro is akin to Descending's outro, Triad,.etc.M0G wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:40 pm Christ what is with these redditors. Descending is Descending. The song they played live is the song you are going to hear on the album. As for the second half Maynard doesn't sing because it isn't necessary. Tool have never been a band that work off of a standard 4/4 chrous/verse etc etc. The first half of the song is constructed for vocals to fit and the lyrics fit well. The second half of the song is a showcase for Justin, Danny and Adam and lyrics would ruin what they are doing there musically. There isn't any room at all for vocals and vocals wouldn't make sense musically in the second half.
Long instrumental sections are nothing new to Tool. Why the lack of vocals on the second half of Descending is problematic for some of you is beyond me.
First saw TOOL in 01’ 10 times total. Not trying to measure my dick but my opinions are based on years of analyzing and over analyzing their music. TOOL in my option finish their songs like no other band and a big part of that is Maynard’s genius contributes weather powerful or subtle. The only example anyone can give is Triad but that is a different track. That said I love Descending and will come album time I am a TOOL homer! Lol Redditorslimeygringo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:35 pmCrazy to think that a whole new generation is discovering Tool right now, that's gotta be a part of it. About a good third of Pushit and Third Eye are vox-less, Flood's intro is akin to Descending's outro, Triad,.etc.M0G wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:40 pm Christ what is with these redditors. Descending is Descending. The song they played live is the song you are going to hear on the album. As for the second half Maynard doesn't sing because it isn't necessary. Tool have never been a band that work off of a standard 4/4 chrous/verse etc etc. The first half of the song is constructed for vocals to fit and the lyrics fit well. The second half of the song is a showcase for Justin, Danny and Adam and lyrics would ruin what they are doing there musically. There isn't any room at all for vocals and vocals wouldn't make sense musically in the second half.
Long instrumental sections are nothing new to Tool. Why the lack of vocals on the second half of Descending is problematic for some of you is beyond me.
I can kinda see him coming in there too. But if it's just subtle contribution, then I think he probably would be doing it live too. He only seems to omit things live when they are too much of a strain on his voice.Boldizar wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:44 amIt totally sounds like he should come in at the gong hit with some subtle, long notes, sort of responding to the guitar but not getting in the way, cutting out as the end guitar solo comes in. This would tie everything together to me. Unless! the entire 'A/Descending" thing was a reference to how the song is essentially divided into to two parts, the one with words and the other half as an instrumental.
This was so preoccupied with self-righteous conceit and presumption that it completely missed the point and instead fumes over strawmen, and for no god damn reason. There is no reason to get your panties in a twist over this, talking about music.M0G wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:40 pm Christ what is with these redditors. Descending is Descending. The song they played live is the song you are going to hear on the album. As for the second half Maynard doesn't sing because it isn't necessary. Tool have never been a band that work off of a standard 4/4 chrous/verse etc etc. The first half of the song is constructed for vocals to fit and the lyrics fit well. The second half of the song is a showcase for Justin, Danny and Adam and lyrics would ruin what they are doing there musically. There isn't any room at all for vocals and vocals wouldn't make sense musically in the second half.
Long instrumental sections are nothing new to Tool. Why the lack of vocals on the second half of Descending is problematic for some of you is beyond me.