ToolFanFromWayBack wrote:
Given 12 years have passed, how much pressure is there for this album to hit big?
NASA are saying that everything looks good from here.
ToolFanFromWayBack wrote:
Given 12 years have passed, how much pressure is there for this album to hit big?
Yeah, I mean a good engineer could probably do a good job of keeping bleed to a minimum with the proper techniques but isolation is usually the best approach. That said there's nothing in the video to say that the drums aren't isolated. There is an isolation booth off the control room in the pictures on the studios so that the drums might be tracked in there. Though that's really not the best setup imo.ToolFanFromWayBack wrote:Unless they are going to record it all live (as has been mentioned before) wouldn't the drums have to be recorded in isolation since they have to be mic'd and would pick up the guitar and bass as well? Whatever their process, just freakin' happy it is moving forward.UndKeineZwEier wrote:Yes. The drums need something to play along with so you'll usually have bass and guitar (and maybe vocals) playing too, but those tracks might not make it on the record. They usually record the final version later.xZ1mM3r wrote: Would they track drums with the guitar, but not track the guitar??
Given 12 years have passed, how much pressure is there for this album to hit big?
Good find!!shade wrote:I believe they're recording at Ocean Studios in Burbank. Pictures for comparison (note the brick wall and red lighting):
Their legacy depends on this album. After 12...scratch that...what will end up being 13 years, if this album isn't a masterpiece Tool will be a fucking joke. You don't piss away what is essential a significant chunk of your prime years and then hope goodwill or fanboyism will save the day. Keep in mind Danny is not far away from sixty, so I am already concerned about his drumming being up to par. Granted if anyone can pull it off, it would be him. Bottom line Tool have everything to prove. Are they old and washed up or do they still have an Aenima or Lateralus level album left in the tank?ToolFanFromWayBack wrote:Unless they are going to record it all live (as has been mentioned before) wouldn't the drums have to be recorded in isolation since they have to be mic'd and would pick up the guitar and bass as well? Whatever their process, just freakin' happy it is moving forward.UndKeineZwEier wrote:Yes. The drums need something to play along with so you'll usually have bass and guitar (and maybe vocals) playing too, but those tracks might not make it on the record. They usually record the final version later.xZ1mM3r wrote: Would they track drums with the guitar, but not track the guitar??
Given 12 years have passed, how much pressure is there for this album to hit big?
Fuck off FleaKittaan wrote:From personal experience, (not that I’m comparing my level of experience to Tool, obviously) we always tracked drums first, recording scratch guitar, bass, vox, keys just in case, but always with the primary intention of nailing the drums. It’s incredibly hard to get a drummer to nail a performance against a guitar part for example. I think this is the universal order. Also, with limited mics available, dedicating 8-10 mics to the drums was essential. Not an issue for Tool, clearly.
Once that’s done, everyone would take the isolated drum mix home to digest for a day or so, practicing their own parts against it. As a bass player, having a solid final drum track to play to always informed my part dramatically. Made a big difference in the final tracks.
I would assume they have a similar work flow, but who knows? At that high level of musicianship and being together as long as they have with such amazing chemistry, I imagine they could easily track it all live and nail it.
That's generally how their flow has always gone. There's a reason you don't really monkey with this formula unless you're going to just record all the tracks live at once (and even then you do lots of overdubs).Kittaan wrote:From personal experience, (not that I’m comparing my level of experience to Tool, obviously) we always tracked drums first, recording scratch guitar, bass, vox, keys just in case, but always with the primary intention of nailing the drums. It’s incredibly hard to get a drummer to nail a performance against a guitar part for example. I think this is the universal order. Also, with limited mics available, dedicating 8-10 mics to the drums was essential. Not an issue for Tool, clearly.
Once that’s done, everyone would take the isolated drum mix home to digest for a day or so, practicing their own parts against it. As a bass player, having a solid final drum track to play to always informed my part dramatically. Made a big difference in the final tracks.
I would assume they have a similar work flow, but who knows? At that high level of musicianship and being together as long as they have with such amazing chemistry, I imagine they could easily track it all live and nail it.
It is the best feeling. I don't have any bands like this left in terms of my own fandom. I always liked Tool, but Lateralus was what kicked my love for them all the way up, so 10K Days was the first one I truly anticipated to the fullest. That experience of sitting down day one (with the art in hand as well) and just blasting it over and over is still firmly cemented in my brain. Cannot wait.Kittaan wrote:
@Busty and Joey - Agreed. I can’t wait to have that experience again. Digesting a new Tool album will be surreal. Looooooong time coming.
Last time I saw them live was like 9 years ago. Obviously have seen youtube vids from recent stuff. Danny at 56 going on 57 isn't the same guy. By the time this shit gets done and they actually tour he will be 58. Logically his skills are going to drop off. So sad how this band pissed away the last third of their prime years.Busty McCracken wrote:When's the last time you saw Tool live Mog? If he can still sound that good live , I have zero concerns about what he can pull off in the studio.
Also this dont mean shit to their legacy. Realistically it will fail to live up to the hype purely for the fact that it's overhyped as all fuck plus they are not angry 20-30 year olds anymore. I have no doubt that it will be of quality but am also under no illusions that it will likely fall short of Aenima / Lateralus and thats fine. Because those albums and that moment in time will always be there and this album will have nothing to do with them apart from those who are dumb enough to judge them against something they created 20 years ago
and this.tys0n wrote:I can guarantee it'll be better than anything Meshuggah have ever released.
I am excited for you. I am just so jaded after all these years it is hard to allow myself to be excited. Also, by nature, I am a pessimist. That said, I HOPE Tool deliver with what will undoubtedly be their final album. As for Maynard, I might not like him as a person, but I do respect his work ethic. He won't half ass it. To be fair, he might actually be better on this album than on 10,000 Days. On 10k, his voice was meh. You could tell all the wine had done a number on his vocal chords. I give the man credit because over the last couple of years his voice sounds better than it has in quite some time. I am 50/50 on his Puscifer work, but it is obvious him staying so active has had a positive impact on his voice. The new APC stuff he sounds really damn good, even if the music itself is bland and lacking.xZ1mM3r wrote:This is my first time experiencing a Tool album anticipation and lead up. I found Tool after 10k Days, so i had the luxury of listening to their entire catalog at once. Opiate felt as new and fresh as Jambi did.
Now that i have had 10 years of Tool, with nothing new, my anticipation is at an all time high. Im stoked that they are finally recording. My only hope is that MJK gives this album the time that it deserves. Unfortunately i think we might get a song aimed at the dumbasses complaining to MJK on twitter. My hope is that this album has 'Tool' lyrics, and not 'puscifer' lyrics over a Tool instrumental.
Bill Hilly wrote:and this.tys0n wrote:I can guarantee it'll be better than anything Meshuggah have ever released.
tys0n, I'm not cool with this thread becoming a troll fest. Feel free to contribute in a meaningful way (expressing dislike of the process is just fine) but leave the off-topic jabs out of it.tys0n wrote:I can guarantee it'll be better than anything Meshuggah have ever released.